Is the friendship over too, or will we make amends? :(

[misskitty]

I just can't put this situation out of my head until I have closure. I have been learning about horary astrology, but I am very much a novice. I wanted to ask a question a. to learn, b. because I need some kind of closure before I can move on.

The entire situation may not be relevant, so I'll keep it short. I was romantically involved with a Virgo, and he recently hurt me badly. At this point, I do not want to know if we will get back together (even if I am curious) because asking and wondering that question won't allow me to take the steps needed for me to move on. But I do want to know if we will ever make amends and at least get our friendship back. His friendship was truly invaluable to me, and he said mine was for him as well, but there may be too much pain involved for us to resume the friendship without the romantic link.

I wrote him an email telling him how much he hurt me a few days ago. He is dealing with a lot of stuff right now health-wise and emotionally (going through his mid-life transits in his angular houses). But I at least expected him to apologize. He has not bothered to respond!! This has hurt even worse. So all I would like to know is if I should stop expecting a response, or if he even cares that he hurt me.

My own interpretation of the chart is that I am Mars and he is Venus. The two are in sextile, so does this mean the desire to remain friends is mutual?

I know the Moon is in the anaretic degree of Taurus, but it is in Taurus so that is dignified (right?), and it is making plenty of aspects, so it is not VOC? An alternative interpretation I heard for Moons that are in the last few degrees in horary is that it doesn't necessarily mean the answer is negative, but that something major will have to change to get the positive result desired. How do I interpret the moon in this case?

He (Venus) is the the 12th house, so does that mean he is still hiding something from me? He has a 12th house Moon natally, so it wouldn't surprise me.

My ameteur conclusion is that the feelings of frienship and wanting to maintain it are still there, but that he is being weighed down with something pretty deep and doesn't feel free to express his feelings. Maybe he never well. Since the Moon in in a suceedent house, can I expect closure one way or the other within a few weeks time?

Or does the Moon simply indicate that it is too early to predict right now?

I'm so confused. :( My head is swimming with all of this new info!

[May]

Hey, I'm curious. Can you please do a chart with parts of fortunae on it? Because parts of fortunae tells what the question is *really* about (even if the asker is confused). You said "At this point, I do not want to know if we will get back together (even if I am curious) "
it's an odd piece of boulder that I think is still on the shoulders of this question.


Here's my two cents. You are Mars and he is Venus. Mars is almost COMBUST with the sun, meaning Mars is powerless. It seems lke you want the friendship, but the ball's in his court. HE says yes or no with the friendship. So this could really represent Mars being powerless. Second, his 4th house (your 10th house) is ruled by Saturn. 4th house means the "ending" of things. Somethings may've ended with him (in his own universe/philosophy, whatever). He's in your 12th house, so he's on your mind a lot. But 12th house is the house of lies, illusions, or even just not working out. This describes the CURRENT situation. As far as PREDICTING will the friendship will be resumed is another thing... in which shall be resumed later..

[misskitty]

Whoa!! **bows to May**

You are so right about so many things. I do care about a romantic future with this man. I love him. But the situation is so freakin' complicated that any hope of romance with him right now is premature. At this point, I will settle for friendship with him if that is all that I can have. I am still in awe of your instinct, and when you see where the parts of fortunae is located, you will see why. :)

I am more or less powerless in this situation, because the ball is completely in his court. He is going through his mid-life transits, dealing with the emotional effects of a benign brain tumor, and is now wondering if it was the brain tumor that made him want to divorce his estranged wife (he had been seperated from her for months before anything happened between us).

He is on my mind a lot, and I think the lies and illusions comes from the fact that he didn't tell me for two weeks that his ex is now involved in his therapy sessions. Not for marriage counseling apparently, but to determine if its the brain tumor or if the relationship is just not working out for him. I told him he was selfish for withholding that info because he knew I had hope, and I can't have hope if she is back in the picture. He said he didn't tell me because he wanted to tell me in person (we live in different cities now).

I wrote him an email wishing him luck and that I hoped he could muster the courage to stand up for what he wants once he figures that out, and told him I was letting him go. I don't feel bad for anything I said, but I feel like I was too harsh about it and I havn't heard a word from him since, so that is what prompted the question.

I really just miss my friend. Interesting that you see something ending for him right now, but I am not going to get my hopes up and jump to conclusions. The thing ending could be the friendship with me. :(

[Michelle]

I've been reluctant to answer this and I don't know why. I would place your Virgo in the 5th. The 7th is about serious legitimate relationships and the 5th is about love affairs-and, so far, this has been a love affair. The Moon rules the 5th and is placed in Taurus in the 2nd house at the anaretic degree. You are ruled by Mars in Capricorn in the 10th. I know that you met through work and these placements seem very monetary and not very romantic at all. Mars and the Moon make no aspect. The Moon is ready to move into a new sign. I think it may be over. The Moon is exalted in Taurus, but it's ready to move on. Mars is moving past a conjunction with Pluto- possibly showing an obsession. Mars is also exalted in Capricorn. I don't know.

[misskitty]

In order to get as many interpretations as possible, I also posted this on another forum. An astrologer on there interprets the Moon in the anaretic degree as meaning that something significant has to change in order to get the result hoped for. This was an interpretation I had seen on the web, as well. I won't post the whole response because I certainly understand why you would come to a 'no' answer as well (there were a lot of confusing things to me in this chart, which is why I posted it. I couldn't see a clear 'yes' or 'no!'). Anyway, his interpretation of the moon placement was this:

The moon at a critical degree indicates a situation embarking on change, all the angles are cardinal too, another indication of things changing/advancing... The moon trines Jupiter immediately (his communication house) which is a good sign of good feelings and large amounts of talking, especially as Jupiter is in its joy in the 11th, in Aquarius now, another sign of friendship; but being under Saturn Jupiter would be restricted a bit. The only thing is with the trine to Jupiter, moon completes the trine when it slips into Gemini -- an indication of the aforementioned taking place after "change".

Have you heard of the Moon used this way in horary, as an indication of the end of a situation before the final result is achieved, or have you always understood it to mean it is the end? I wish I could remember where I read about the anaretic degree of the Moon in horary. I will have to go back and retrace my steps.

Also, I'm not understanding how to place a person in a horary chart. Why is he in my 5th?

Thank you Michelle!

[May]

I think Michelle placed him in the 5th house because he is a "romantic" interest, and 7th house is for "committed boyfriends and married farts." However, I disagree. The first house deals with "me", while the polar opposite house, the 7th house deals with "me and you." So you're specifically asking about "another person" and I think 7th house takes the cake.

And judging by this article: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/weekly-horary/continue-relationship.php

"Since this is relationship question, I assign the 7th house (ruled by Saturn) for the man"

the man and the women in the question were not in a committed relationship.

I don't believe that you HAVE to BE in a relationship (already) to be signified by the 7th house.

[May]

Also, you have to make sure that your chart is in Regiomontanus!!!!! the house system actually varies in degrees. It might tiny, but it might shift the whole meaning of the chart!!!!

[misskitty]

I forgot to change the house system!! However, it didn't seem like there were many differences in this case...

[Michelle]

I don't believe that you HAVE to BE in a relationship (already) to be signified by the 7th house.

I haven't read your attached article yet, but my question would be: Who then, is signified by the 5th?

[Michelle]

I'm going to answer my own question and say that relationships that aren't considered serious would be shown by the 5th. Fifth house relationships are about FUN. So, since MissKitty clearly considers this relationship serious, I'll look at the 7th.

Venus and Mars are sextile yet separating. Venus is still in the 12th showing the secretive nature of the relationship. Venus and Mars are still both exalted. Venus and the Moon are square possibly showing some tension between what the querent wants and the direction of the partner. Friendship? Possible.

[May]

COOL! We answered this question!

[May]

But I don't know, man. Venus's heading towards that Uranus (Uranus = never knwos what's going to happen. things might just take turns/flip over, be totally crazy).

[Michelle]

Plus, I just noticed that Venus is intercepted. He could be feeling a bit confined by this secret relationship. Mars's sign, Capricorn, covers two houses-seems to be more in control-driving for the relationship? Whereas Venus/Pisces/intercepted in the 12th may have been more than happy to just have a secret romantic affair- Mars/ Capricorn/10th is driving towards a relationship that gains public acknowledgment?