The Twelfth House

[SteamyWeenie]

its labels have been bothering me. the twelfth house is where the zodiac comes to completion --it holds all of the traits of the zodiac. naturally ruled by Pisces.-- so well, ive been reading on it and am getting bothered by the fact that its labeled as the house of self undoing, hidden enemies etc.... it dont seem that way to me at all. its more like the energy that goes off undetected and neglected therefore it presents itself in your external life until you deal with the energy accordingly. pisces by nature is very passive and just (most of the time) an all around mess. they lack form and if u can picture the gloop from The Secret World of Alex Mack there u have ur pisces.. for some reason in early life whatever planet and energy in that house is pushed to the back and one does not FEEL entitled to that energy.. key word is FEEL.. seeing as how the house is ruled by pisces (ruler Neptune) its an illusion and should be handled as such. it should be nothing to fear n should be kept in mind that it lacks form. therefore, just about any person or situation can play out the energies of that house and planet if you refuse to face it head on WITHOUT FEAR. people fear this house and the energy because they are not aware of how to express the energy in a balanced way so it seems very foreign. once again, ILLUSION. the energy of the house cant be ignored or feared and skills need to be developed to express it accordingly without taken to extremes (product of not knowing moderation courtesy of inexperience) so to you folks i say look and fear not for the twelfth house is a very good house indeed.

[PensiveGemini]

"i realized u guys w the twelfth r destined to see yourselves in everyone else and learn from their lessons.. otherwise, a lesson of itself w the same message in a different manner will manifest in ur life."

funny, I've always said that... even as a preteen before getting into astrology--- and when I meet certain ppl, those that allow me to see myself a certain way always get a huge, nostalgic reaction out of me... for me it manifests in that "I think I've met you before" kind of way...

your gemini aunti sounds sweet and like lots of fun...

[SteamyWeenie]

shes a trip n a half.. when i was like six she would always ask my cousin n i if we'd wipe for her when she got old.. n for damm some reason i would always say yes.... i adore her but i hope to get her one of those water squirting n blowdrying toilets to save me the job... but knowing her she'll use the squirt n the dryers heat to her advantage.. in more ways than one. :/

yeah.... shes great alright. mercury conj venus.

[Lola Starship]

I always imagine that the people who present the really simplistic descriptions of things are the ones who don't have the more complicated placements that they tread about with caution. I have the sun and Mercury retrograde in the 12th house, and have lived a pretty miserable emotional life partially as a result of this, complete with suicide attempts and cutting and all kinds of darkness (neatly kept very hidden from the public, of course!) . . . the past few years, however, I've come to appreciate these placements as keys to better understanding my place in the Universe, relating to all living and spiritual beings on a deep level, being able to rise above the conventional traps of the ego and really FEEL the world around me and sacrifice myself to it. It's a gift to feel a disconnect from the ego, only a trap when you fall for what society is generally going to tell you: that you should shine, love yourself, show off your talents, socialize, seek love and express your uniqueness. When you acknowledge that the 12th house is only bad in the view of these cultural perscriptions for a happy life, then you open yourself up to the true beauty of it, something bigger than the self. You have to let go of the self basically or else it is going to suck balls.

As for absence of father figure with the sun here, I've been reading about that a lot too. My father is more or less a drug addict who has always tried to placate me with material possessions, when I wanted guidance, communication, and spiritual/emotional comfort! The father can be there physically and yet still some how be absent. I don't feel like I have a real father at all.

[SteamyWeenie]

out of curiosity, any siblings?

[Lola Starship]

A sister, just a little older than me. I can think of a million reasons why this would matter. Why does it matter?

[SteamyWeenie]

mercury rules gemini. gemini rules the third house of siblings.. n therefore, so does mercury ;)

[Lola Starship]

And I have Neptune in the 3rd house also. A little switcheroo! My Pisces moon is also in the 5th house (Pisces in the house of the sun) just as my sun is in the 12th (the sun in the Pisces house) . . . I'm all mixed up, and yet in a rather organized fasion!

Its true though, that many of my self-esteem issues over time have been connected to having the "perfect" sister, multi-linguistic, gorgeous, tango dancing, yoga teaching, world traveling over-achieving academic with men literally falling at her feet. She's extremely talented in absolutely anything she puts her mind to! Much to my dismay however, I can't just avoid her as I love her immensely, and she is the closest person to me, one of the only people I communicate with easily. Ironically, she thinks I am very smart and interesting, but I have learned that I need to let go of myself and tap into some serious "I have no desire" zen energy to be around her. If I so much as look in the mirror in her company, it's all over.

Loving my sister and wanting to be around her has taught me a lot about killing the ego! Did Neptune and Mercury design this bizarre arrangement?

[SteamyWeenie]

that b*tch... keep naming her talents around here n see how well YOU and i get along.

i dont wanna hear about her again and thats final!

[PensiveGemini]

funny how this all started as an attempt at vindicating the 12th house from its negative, morbid depiction... and yet thats all I see here! LOL

I'm a 12th house sun and venus--- daddy died when I was 4, every relationships I've had has had to be kept secret from some person or group, prefer to stay in the background, very secretive, hide my sensitivity, etc etc etc...

but like someone said on here before... as "delusional" as we may be categorized and as naive as we may come off... I think its because we can see everything so clearly, for what it is, because of all the bull that we've gone through, that we willingly give in to creating something more pleasant in our minds or rather purposely shift our "perspective"... I know I have learned that if I want something to be great, I have to paint it great...

[SteamyWeenie]

but only this house enderstands the beauty behind it.

interesting. so what colors do you use?

[Forever_Midnight]

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[ reposting from Pisces moon thread... ]


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I have a gigantic stellium in Pisces, including Pisces moon -- AND 12th house placements practically everywhere (4+) -- and my life is and has been actually, objectively, awesome. Incredible friends (I could do a better job at initiating things with them!), and I've had myriad adventures and accomplished things that were important to me, some of which that I had no idea would become important to me. Lotsa lotsa pain along the way, now mind you, lots of delusions. Looooots. And inflicted on others. Lots of valleys. But the peaks are to die for. or vice versa ;-)

This is one of the first times in my life I've actually slowed down and it's a little nerve-wracking -- I'm looking up at what I and we want to create.... ah boy: there it is: the idea of the unknown. Yes, feeling intimidated (overwhelmed by all the possibilities?) sometimes!

on the romance side, one interesting note is that I secretly at some level have felt ashamed of (felt like a weakling for) the amount of love/desire/caring I have had for each of the loves who have come into my life. So, i've been cutting that out :-) and just in the nick of Gemini-ian time!...

One thing I identified a long time ago, is that I am very... expansive. ( i always marvel that there are subcultures in the world today that people don't even know exist! ) As I see it, my Aries rising is the spark that catalyzes the fishly dream engine power!!!


damn. now i know to reread this when I start feeling sorry for myself ;-)


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[SteamyWeenie]

ooh tell us more! we all have a twelfth house we'd like to umderstand...